When Jeff got Lasik on his eyes, everybody at Enron got Lasik,

so nobody was wearing glasses.

I think Jeff Skilling is really a tragic figure,

in a classic sense of the word.

He's a guy that people describe as incandescently brilliant.

But he's also a guy who is radically different

than he at times portrays himself.

He's portrayed himself as somebody who has

very tightly-monitored risk. In reality, he's a gambler.

He gambled away huge sums of money before he was 20 years old,

by making wild bets on the market.

To Jeff Skilling, risk was glamorous.

He was a huge risk taker.

He actually talked about wanting to go on trips that

were so perilous that someone could actually die.

This manifested itself in trips that Jeff Skilling led

for a small group of friends and customers.

A core cadre of Enron guys used to go on

these wild adventures:

Andy Fastow would go; Ken Rice would go.