But they pitch it almost as a new economic religion.

Enron on-line will change the markets

for many many commodities.

It is creating an open transparent marketplace

that replaces the dark blind system that existed.

It is real simple.

You turn on your computer and it's right there.

That's our vision.

We're trying to change the world.

I think Jeff Skilling had a desperate

need to believe that Enron was a success.

I think he identified with Enron.

He proclaimed, at one point,' I am Enron'.

The other thing about people at Enron is,

a lot of them were former nerds and including Jeff Skilling.

He had been paunchy. He had big glasses.

He was losing his hair.

And Jeff Skilling one day kinda woke up

and decided to change himself.

And he started working out, lost a lot of weight.