He is still alive.

- Do you want a cup of tea, Sacha? - I'm ok nana. Thanks.

- Hello? - Hi, Joe, it's Sacha Pfeiffer.

- Hi Sacha, how are you? - I'm good, thanks.

Listen, Joe, I just want a follow up on one thing.

You talked to Phil Saviano about all of this, right?

Yeah, I did, I went to a couple of SNAP meetings.

And did Phil ever suggest you to do anything about it?

No, the meetings weren't really about that.

We meet a couple of them canonical lawyers, but

- I didn't think it was worth it. - Why not?

There were just so many forms to fill out, it was overwhelming, you know.

And he said he could only get me a small settlement, so...

- Who said that? - The lawyer told me that.

So, you did go and see a lawyer?

Yeah, but I didn't end up using him, so...

I didn't think it was important, I'm sorry.

- I'm not trying to hide anything. - No, I know, Joe.

Do you remember his name? The lawyer?

No, but maybe Phil would know?